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Hello,

I was wondering if anybody knows about the NTV18R being built in BC by Haulin Nass Race Boats ?

http://www.haulinnassraceboats.com/

I'd like to get into a River Rocket but I dont know if it is better to wait to find a good used. It looks like these guys and Full Throttle Powerboats are building the STV as well. Is one a better boat?

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks very much.

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Here we go with another splash. Full throttle power boats all the way. They have the original Roarke molds. Dont waste your money on a splash. I have to say the splash is damn expensive too. Also splashes have no resale value.

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WOW, never even heard of them before this! Anyone else know anything about this builder? And.... they do look good!

These boats are being made in Canada, the builder (Mike Nass) will not admit it but they are the old Lightening moulds. If you look at the facts you will realize:

1. The moulds are crap and many of the more complicated hull details are not in the mould.

2. They are heavy as crap.

3. They are WAY overpriced.

4. Call Jack Barsh and buy a "REAL" one for less money that will be stronger and 200 pounds lighter.

This thread can be locked there is no further need for discussion on this in my opinion.

Oh did I mention I hate it when people steal and splash something that they should have payed for.

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I just can't help but point out some major BULL CHIT after reading this guys web-site!! This is all from his FAQ section on his site

Question: Your boats look a lot like an STV… What’s the deal?

Answer: Well, your right on the money… How I got into this was I wanted to buy an STV River Rocket, but as you probably know, Roarke Summerford who originally designed several different STV’s over the years has long since ceased building them… The different molds have been passed around through several hands over the years and as I understand it, the Euro and River Rocket decks and Mod VP hull mold, now reside in the South East, and I’ve heard another drag mold sits in Easter Canada and I believe I have the Ski Hull Mold with the Inverted-V. BTW… this particular hull design is the one that has hit the fastest known speed for a hull of this type at just a tick over 151 mph on radar. Anyway, the last guy who had them (River Rocket Molds) was only building the odd one, mainly for friends, so after waiting for several years with no luck being able to buy a new one or even find a good used one, I decided I had to take matters into my own hand. I knew there was some of the old Cougar Boats guys around, plus some from Eagle (Drag Boats) and I though if I could pull some of these resources together, we might have something… So off I went… I borrowed heavily from the STV deck designs and in my opinion cleaned them up significantly… If you notice the originals had these goofy looking steering cable exit tubes that just are not relevant anymore, so we got rid of those… As well I’m into clean and smooth, so we removed the recession in the deck sides and got rid of the lovers in the rear corners… again just to clean it up… We then flattened the dash to allow more flexibility when rigging the dash area, the stock set-up really limited you with the raised area for the center steering… and finally made it a 15 inch style transom… so no cutting or putting a plug in the 20 inch mold is needed. Again, we just cleaned it up and made what I consider a cleaner, straighter boat.

Problem with this statement is the boat Dixon ran 151 does not have this bottom on it, and to add to this there are very few people out there that would ever argue the "ski" bottom is better far anything other than splashig water on your face. Secondly he states "I borrowed heavily" now come on you must think your customers are as DUMB as you are. Just admit that you bought the Lightening moulds and move on with it.

Question : Is it legal to build a boat so similar to the original STV design?

Answer : This topic came up on the Internet, and I quote statements that a fellow made who was very up to date on the laws for doing so… these are quotes…

“The fact is that the STV is not a protected design and anyone can legally copy it.”

“You can't "copyright" the hull design.” If you were the designer “You can have it patented or design protected. Neither of which apply to the 20 + year old hull design of the STV.” Or anyone who not may possess any of the existing molds… “ Think of it like this “Alexander Graham Bell patented the telephone but aren't you glad other companies were allowed to copy it and improve on it? Same basic principle. Patents are only good for a set amount of time and when they expire anyone can copy what was patented. The government doesn't protect patent rights either, it is the patent holders responsibility to protect his patent. If he fails to do so within a set period of time the patent is considered worthless. The STV has no protection from patents or from design protection laws” “Even if it had been protected the patent would have expired by now allowing complete copies.”

Think about it like this… People all over the world are making aftermarket parts that improve on the original design… We are just taking a quality design that was way ahead of it’s time and in our opinion improving upon it.

Now if this does not sound like a defence statement then I will give up now.

Question: Can you build me a super light weight race only lay-up under 500lbs

Answer: You Bet! We are always happy and frankly quite exited to do unique builds… I caution you though, we will only do things right… So to get the weight down, you need to use better products which will bring up the cost… Many other builders just use less materials, which just does not work… For example I just heard about a guy in the East who picked up a 500 pound “Race only” tunnel hull and on the very first pass it cracked the deck right where the forward bulkhead is… This was just a drag race which no significant torsional loads! Imagine how it will last after a couple seasons with perhaps some lake use thrown in for fun? So you need to do it right and as a user, you need to be realistic, do you really need a boat that light, will you really only use it as you plan to now?

Now this one is my favourite of all this crap. Mike Nass could not build a sub 500 pound strong boat to save his life. His reference to the "guy out East" is ME. I raced a 474 pound boat and got the thing AIRBORN as in 2' feet out the water and the results were a 1" crack in the gel where the front bulkhead meets the side of the boat. I was surprised the thing did not bust to splinters to be honest with you. I have put many more hours on this boat in everyday lake running and there has not been another stress crack in it. What my hull shows is what a light boat built by a guy with EXPERIENCE can handle.

This guy is a JOKE.

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This guy is a spanker. He got banned from fastboatscanada for this crap. Buy the real thing and retain resale value.....buy this piece of chit's stuff and get laughed at when you show up on the lake. Then get rapped when you try and sell it.

Mike Nass= Haulin' Nass= Nass Tunnel Vee. Better change that to NASTY TUNNEL VEE. I'm gonna buy one and redesign the dash then call it by my last name.

BTW, shipping from british columbia would be 3 times as much as driving to Florida to get one from FTP or a resale anywhere in the US.

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Those were first the Tabasco molds, then the Lightning molds, and poor splashes at best. As far as "cleaning up the STV deck indentation and ribs at the back",

what a bunch of crap!

More recycled junk

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Rob,

How are you, hope all is well... been busy working, havn't used my boat much, but plan on changing that soon.

Let's pick an event and meet up this year.

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Rob,

How are you, hope all is well... been busy working, havn't used my boat much, but plan on changing that soon.

Let's pick an event and meet up this year.

Dennis,

I haven't been in an STV much in the last few years, but I too plan on changing that. I bought the 151 boat that Dixon ran, have a custom mid being built for it by Galen Burden, and have a 2007 Drag for it..... I plan to wear it OUT this summer!.

We are all going to the Rumble ( now called the point park thing on Scream and Fly ), would be great to see you there!.

I would also like to make it WAY south in the Fall or Spring. ..... it is a LONG drive for us.

Take care

RT

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What moron would put a 180mph speedo in a STV - much less a splash? Jeez

Speaking of Canadian guys with STV molds...where's the guy with the Pro Comp deck mold?

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Question: Are there any new products coming in the next year or so?

Answer: I’ve got lot’s of plans for the coming year, time will be my limiting factor, but we are in the early stages of a new pleasure deck, a new hull better suited for the new 300hp Green engines with their extra weight and we may even build a capsule deck for the NTV18R…

I'd like to see him show up at Jasper to race that. Now he'd be making something "SIMILAR" to Wally's DR X. This guys a fool.

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The one thing I see that would be nice is the rear seat with the race cowl. They should have made this years ago with the original molds.

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The one thing I see that would be nice is the rear seat with the race cowl. They should have made this years ago with the original molds.

I'd love to see a full race fairing for a Euro too.

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Gotta love these knock-off wanna be's :rolleyes:

So lame they even copy gelcoat grahpics to make them look like the real deal. Sad part is this happens way more than we know..not just boats either

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What kills me is that they demand a BIG price for a piece of crap copy that will have no future resale value. Some people simply dont have any respect for other peoples hard work.

Kurt

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